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#n01

Self-deception is self-seduction by the fallacy & disorder rationalization, "mind."

#n01.1

Mindfulness and being woke are zombie, junkie and crazie together

#n01.2

Everything is word. Whether West or East, Enlightenment is "the system" (what moves as structure or thing) as self-deception.

Science is Western Enlightenment as the ground self-deception, fallacy and mental disorder, "existence" — by "falsifiability."

Spiritual Wisdom is Eastern Enlightenment as the ground self-deception, fallacy and mental disorder, "existence" by "mindfulness."

#n01.3

Whether Theory or Application, Self-deception is Classic Projection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-deception#Criticisms

The concept of self-deception is criticized for being able to classify any criticism of the notion of self-deception as being self-deception in itself, removing its falsifiability and therefore making it unscientific, and also for being an obstacle to science in general by being able to classify anything as self-deception in a way that confirms itself in a way that is not self-correcting.

It's not that the falsifiability is removed as if "it is there." Falsifiability is the ground bias or facilitation of "being" (there)(or not). Of "existence" whatsoever.

#n02

Discussion

Whether Western or Eastern philosophy, it is abysmal nonsense insofar it is about the Self (existence). And since both are absolutely constrained in every variety to exactly such common ground, both are nonsense.

Science is nearly complete nonsense, as is Religion.

Mitesh Agrawal

This is the common ground we could agree

#n02.01

According to the Vedanta the world is nothing but an illusion.

As the idea that (an) I perceive(s) or not, the only logical conclusion can be that it I am deluded or ignorant and that it is my illusion. The ignorance of the masses concerning "spiritual" reality is what Eastern Philosophy guruism is based on.

So do I read the Vedanta in depth or not? Its ontology, soteriology and epistemology?

No, not in depth. It is very clear that Eastern Philosophy consists of some world being offered, and to say it is not "existence" based, is classic self-deception. The idea that it takes "deep practice" to understand "spiritual reality" is proselytization for the system of rationalization for such "existence."

#n02.02

Mitesh Agrawal

Yes sir, but this is only one side of the coin. In Eastern philosophy they do not 'force' you to follow, and to understand the 'SANTANA Dharma' you will need to drop the prejudices.

'Sanatan Dharma' is not about cult practice or mass engagement, it happens naturally in it. It allows one individual to find its own path without any restrictions. You do not need to follow any other being any how, this is the degree of freedom provided.

#n02.03

It is not that the spiritual world is worse than the physical world, they are the same derivative-orders nonsense.

#n02.04

Mitesh Agrawal

Of course they are, after all the spiritual world is experienced and explained by the physical beings only, its obvious they will inherit few traits.

#n02.05

Right. How convenient for the deep practitioners, i.e., the gurus.

I have to be as one with the gurus, by repetition utterly steeped or submitted to the very specific kind of rationalization typical of the special practice if not by some magic of quality then by quantity to "understand."

Or else, "sit down and shut up."

"Sit down and shut up." Hence "meditation."

#n02.06

Mitesh Agrawal

Pierre Rousseau No, this is your prejudice based on what you have learnt from nonsense translations and leaders.

Infact what you are doing right now is already been explained in Eastern philosophy texts and the path you are following is acceptable.

#n02.07

Amazing, incredible, paradox. It's holy. But it is not paradox. That it is paradox is sheer self-contradiction, or the height of bullshitting.

Yin yang paradox. Tch, tch, tch.

#n02.08

The comment that what I am doing is acceptable is rife with fallacy and nonsense... namely the idea that it is your comment, about what I am doing.

#n02.09

Eastern Philosophy text is pure rationalization, which is a doctrine of self-deception only one layer deeper than denial.

In other words, it is extremely superficial, even in its own terms. Or rather, exactly in its own terms.

Mitesh Agrawal

"In other words, it is extremely superficial, even in its own terms."

Yes its superficial for the individuals who are too shy to go through it.

#n03

Mitesh Agrawal

The philosophical texts are too vast with a lot of meaning, different explanation for different individual, which you can say is a normalized concept for being 'word'.

And yes, it is full of paradoxes, its up to you how much you want to explore and how you should do it?

Abysmal Farce. No wonder some have resorted to Zen Buddhism.

Laughter is facilitating bullshit, otherwise I would laugh.

It is classic self-deception.

Just like so-called "science."

#n04

In Western Logic, "we can only communicate in terms of common ground."

Mitesh Agrawal

Its up to the engaging parties to find a common ground, whether one wants to do it or not!

Well, relationship and communication are the bullshit of the intersubjective field as common ground. The East is highly practiced in that. To the hilt.

It's magic.

#n05

The idea that someone is to blame for their bias, rather than that blame or bias is the esoteric setup, "existence" is the desperation ecstasy of love and war.

Freud's seduction-reality would have been no better than his triadic fantasy.

#n06

As one who supposedly has been cast into this world, I am pissed off at the abysmal stupidity of the sophisticated elite.

And it is exactly the same kind of idiocy, East or West.

The point is that the Self (i capitalized, I and me as self-reflecting agency or mind/consciousness & spirit) is the redundancy. The idea that what we experience is the point, is the most despicable dualism, and as layered derivative order is nothing short of institutionalized duplicity, i.e., desperate rationalization as the ecstasies of love and war.

Or in one word: metastasis. If the Self (with experience) is the point, and not word, it is not overcoming stasis. It is making static of all meaning, namely meditation buzz, or metastasis, as if it is holiness.

Whether Western or Eastern philosophy, it is abysmal nonsense insofar it is about the Self (existence). And since both are absolutely constrained in every variety to exactly such common ground, both are nonsense.

Science is nearly complete nonsense, as is Religion.